Cathy here. I’ve known Amy for over a year, which is not long, not really. We met because we started working together. If you saw our little valley you’d wonder how we didn’t know each other already. This is a relatively small place. We got connected thru a friend for work, and from there on will be history. We thought we would let you into some of our email conversations. You get to peer into the window of our friendship, our relationship. They all are interesting, relationships that is. I think they are fascinating, how things evolve, who takes on what roles etc. And then over time, how they change.
My world has shifted because my husband’s job will end at the end of this week, May 25. This is something that never used to frighten us because we both used to freelance. Me as an artist and him as a pilot. This time is very different because we have a house and a child and two cars and and a dog and peepers and lilacs and TEA! The biggest challenge, I think, will be in our heads. That’s how it is with most challenges, they are in our heads. At least that’s what my 46 and counting years is beginning to make evident as I watch my life and my happiness and those around me. If in my head I am telling myself it is ok, then it is. If I resist, well then let the struggle begin.
A conversation between friends, a balm for the soul. Over tea, even better. For now, over email will have to do.

Below is the conversation between Amy and I. My writing is in boldface. Let us know, give us a comment or a LIKE or some indication on how you feel about your new voyeur status. Ha, love that.
Subject: Heaven in a job loss
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 10:00:55 -0400
Howdy Amy,
My husband’s job ends in two weeks, 9 days, I could probably figure out the number of hours but I’ll save that for next week when the hours are looming more brightly/darkly. I know you’ve been in this situation before, the dad at home all day, money a bit more precarious. Well, for us, the money much more precarious than before because my money is unreliable (but I’m sure right on the brink of the big time!) at this point. I had such a great freelance business before we had a baby, then I watched my job die. Out of necessity, but still.
Hubby and I always used to work in a different way, putting our life together as we went along. He worked seasonally and I always freelanced graphics and illustration. During that era my work was more steady. My challenge was in enjoying the times off when I had them, instead of worrying myself about WHEN the work would come. The work always did come.
Why does this feel differently? Because we have a kid. And a house. And zillions of frogs and fish and a dog and and and!
This all does not negate how excited I am AT THE SAME TIME! Meet Ms. Jekyl and Mrs. Hyde. When I think of sharing homeschooling responsibilities with the Dad, having time to do my painting that doesn’t have a very small numeral and an a.m. after it is VERY exciting. I am exhausted. I am excited!
Any words of wisdom?
Peace,
cathy
On May 14, 2012, at 10:52 AM, amy carst wrote:
Hey Cathy,
Wow. I always get excited about major transformations like this. Any time I feel I am about to encounter a major change, I start thinking about all of the reasons it’s going to be great. Even under circumstances that most people would find less than ideal, like losing a job. This has been a major benefit in my life, where lots of significant, life changing transformations have occured. But it can also be a little detrimental. It is common for me to get so hyped up by a change, that I dismiss all negatives. Some of these negatives could have been dealt with and overcome if I had met them head on, but completely ignoring negatives can often turn them into nightmarish monsters, ten times as big as they were at the start. So, my short advice to you is embrace the change, look at all of the positives within it – because there are many - but don’t ignore the negatives. Especially in your current situation, the negatives (at least in my experience) are fairly maleable (i.e. you can mold them into positives).
The positives are:
You used to make more money because you had more time. Now you will have more time again. And you work in an industry that provides a lot of freelancing design opportunities that can be done from the comfort of your home, on your own time. With your husband around more to help with homeschooling, etc., you will have more time to work on these projects again.
I don’t know how your husband felt about his job…maybe he loved it. But if he didn’t, or if he felt anything was missing, he has an amazing opportunity to move on to something that he DOES love, something that ISN’T “missing anything.” A job is a sense of security and a paycheck. For those reasons, among others, it is often hard to leave a job we don’t like. But being forced into leaving our job can open our mind to possibilities that we were blind to before.
Your husband is a great dad, and he is already very involved in your little guy’s life. And the same was always true for my husband, even when he wasn’t home with the kids. He’s a devoted dad. But the time that he spent as a stay at home dad created this amazing bond between him and all 3 of our kids. The two littlest ones, who got to experience the bulk of this “extra time with daddy” are so close to him that I sometimes get jealous
It is an experience that will stay with them, and him, forever.
The negatives are:
Men tend to “identify” with their career. It is part of them. Therefore, if they are not working, something within them is missing. That can be an aggravating state of emotion for women who “just don’t get it.” I mean, for us, it is sometimes the opposite. When we work too much, we feel like something within us is missing, because we are “supposed to be” home with the kids. How can they not be 100% fulfilled by staying home with the kids, making their own schedules, getting to sleep in and take naps? I guess the truth is, many women don’t feel fulfilled by that either. We all want a separate sense of self, an identity that is not dependent on our kids, our jobs, our spouses, or anything other than the essence of who we really are. But…for men, SOCIETY adds yet another layer. They are SUPPOSED to have a job and provide for their families. As progressive as our culture is becoming, especially in our area, this is still an underlying belief. My advice? Give him SUPPORT and UNDERSTANDING. It usually takes at least a few weeks or months for the euphoria to start fading and uncertainty to set in. If you can show him that you understand what he is going through, and keep giving him your support, it will make a world of difference. I am also an advocate of the part time job. Obviously, supplemental income is great…but it’s more for a sense of self, contribution, and drive than for the money. But the money helps
Another negative (especially with you working from home as well), A LOT more FACE TIME! That can be wonderful…but it can also be difficult, especially when one of you is in a bad mood. And since you homeschool, all 3 of you are going to be together A LOT. But all 3 of you being at home doesn’t mean you always have to be together. Schedule dad days and mom days. These are days where you have to take your son out of the house for the day. And then schedule DAD days and MOM days to be alone. Maybe Monday is Dad and kiddo day, Tuesday is Mom and kiddo day, Wednesday is Mom’s FREE day, Thursday is Dad’s FREE day, and Friday is half and half. Figure that you always have the weekends and evenings together anyhow. This will help keep everyone sane, AND you will BOTH get more FREE time in your week to do WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT
I am excited for you. You guys are already so self sufficient and sustainable (a lot more than I am, but I’m working on it). That is going to make this transition even easier. You make so much of your own “stuff” and food (plus we’re going into growing season, then canning season), you are connected to bartering communities (and my guess is, you will find many more). Get yourself some chickens (they are fun, cheap, and easy to take care of), plant extra veggies and herbs this year, and start bartering some of your beautiful art for whatever else you might need. Your ART is worth more than money, anyhow
Amy
Subject: Re: Heaven in a job loss
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:29:48 -0400
Amy,
You know, I was checking in with you because the funny thing is…most people, when they hear someone has been laid off, they freak out! They want to be upset, get upset, feel upset. But we have been feeling completely differently. So I tell people with a glimmer in my eye and they come back at me with a response as if someone has died, actually, like it is the worst thing EVER. “I’m so sorry, oh my gosh, what are you going to do?”
But I’m excited about our big lifestyle change. I want to tell them what we’re going to do is have a celebration! I thought you would get that.
We may be in the process of being pushed out to sea, sort of making it up as we go along. There are not many people I know doing life this way. Seat of the pants living! Aligning with corporate culture never was my thing. I stopped working FOR someone in 1994, and since then have worked successfully for myself. I think we will be better off without the 9-5, or should I say 6:30-6. We will though have different or no health insurance. But much of the time we use alternative care modes anyway. I can’t see the solutions to every single thing right now, but I’ve lived long enough to know that the answers usually appear when they are needed, or asked for.
I love your list. You have reminded me of little ways to stretch what will be at first, fewer dollars: making our own stuff, bartering I LOVE bartering it is so satisfying, bigger garden to more encompass our winter needs, canning, freezing (bought a new upright freezer last fall), maybe a new root cellar, who knows! We also are trying to raise fish as our protein for the winter. We’ll see how the trout enjoy and hopefully thrive in our pond. I’ll keep you posted.
The point you raise about your kids and their enhanced relationship with their Dad is probably my favorite piece to hear. Right now my son is SO into his Daddy. A natural process for an attached boy to meander more toward Dad at this age. That in itself has been a big change for our little family.
Just tonight we sat together and planned which of the Flynn Student Matinee shows we would each take him to during the 2012/2013 season. Already we are planning how to do the homeschooling together. I am hearing grumblings about protecting “work” time. I hereby vow to stay focused on the goal, seat of the pants living, me flexing and bending when necessary. There will be growing pains for sure. And the face time, a lot of extra face time, oh boy. (Good thing I married a handsome face:-)
In my mind, moving into the next several days, well, there are 5 work days left, I will watch what I think. I’ll be sure to imagine the best of the best.
Peace
-cathy
On May 16, 2012, at 6:30 AM, amy carst wrote:
And I forgot one of the best parts of everyone working at, or from, home. If you use this opportunity to build your freelancing work back up to a point that you are comfortable with, you can travel – whenever you want. You are no longer tied to a 5 day work week. You are no longer location dependent. Obviously, at the beginning, when you are figuring out the financial side of things, traveling is not going to be a top priority. But this is just a snapshot in time. You are at this beautiful crossroads. Crossroads can be the absolute best spot to sit down for a moment, think about what you really want out of life, and take the road that will lead to that outcome. Kids are great at doing this. Their minds are not clouded with society’s ideas of how it’s “supposed” to work. They just do what they want to. When you are stripped of the obligations you’ve created for yourself over the years, it’s almost like you’ve been given a second chance to be a child, for a minute. Think like a kid, Cathy
-Amy
Dear Amy,
Good point. We used to travel so much. When one of our contracted jobs ended, we would set out and drive to a spot and be there for a month or so. Live in a tent and out of the back of our car, oh, back in the day! I’d keep working, or shift my schedule as much as I could. It wasn’t easy because that was still fax machine/fedex era, not instant internet file transfer to printers era. I worked out of a lot of truck stops, funny really. We had always planned to drive around and hike and camp when we had a kid. My son is more able to do road trips now, so it will be our chance to be more on the move. How completely exciting. I want to go back out west again, say hello to the road runners. Soon…
Peace
-cathy
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